Well, we've reached another Thankstaking Day... the holiday on which people (well, the people here in the US anyway) eat lots of food, gain lots of weight, watch lots of football and celebrate the genocide of the indigenous peoples who once populated this United States Of America. Oops, did I just lose a segment of my readership with that remark? Well, I guess at least the indigenous peoples who are left (i.e. the ones who weren't all that cold and said "no thanks" to the small pox blankets) have their casinos, so they must not be doing all that bad. Is that turkey ready yet, hon?
ANYHOW, my way of celebrating the holiday season is to bust out the old school tapes and get the internet goin' nuts by teaching the kids my HIP HOP LESSONS. I've been doing this for a couple of years now on my favorite websites soulstrut.com and also diggerswithgratitude.com - just blessin' the real heads and the old heads with a small deluge of not just THAT REAL SCHITT but that real old schitt. Your typical young fool will not be able to relate- that's perfectly understandable and it's all right. But for those of us who appreciate the history and actually dig the original sound (in my mind the TRUE sound) of Hip Hop music, this is what it be about. So please feel free to share these moments in time with your friends, family members and all the nice folk on your soulseek user list. This is HISTORY, people.
GRANDMASTER FLASH, MELE MEL AND E-MAN - Live Convention '80 RE-UPPED - this clip is from the same party that was used on the infamous "Live Convention '81" record. BTW I need to know the beat that Flash is cutting right after "Superrappin'"- anybody?
FUNKY 4 + 1 - T-Connection 10-25-80 RE-UPPED - just dope... nothing else to say.
GRANDMASTER FLOWERS - Brooklyn park jam, 1979 RE-UPPED - one of the legends playing a lot of disco joints, aided by his man Aaron The Baron. Very different from what was going on in the Bronx but still an important part of Hip Hop's early development.
MR. HYDE, MR. BOND, STARCHILD & RONNIE GREEN - Foster Center, 1979 RE-UPPED - Jeckyl & Hyde and their crew did some of my favorite old school tapes- Jeckyl (aka Andre Harrell) is M.I.A. on this one but it's still the death, no question. Ronnie Green plays some different beats that you don't hear on a lot of other tapes.
TREACHEROUS THREE - short but reeeeeal fresh clip RE-UPPED - I hope to one day find the whole tape that this performance came from, because this is some great schitt.Kool Moe Dee and Sunshine go back and forth with the fast rap then Moe gets down for a minute. Just a quick glimpse of how nice these brothers were in their heyday.
DJ DANNY DAN THE BEATMAN cutting up breakbeats w/ GRANDMASTER CAZ - house tape, 1988 RE-UPPED - My dude Danny Dan gave this to me a while ago, a tape with him cutting up beats in his crib with GM Caz making a cameo appearance. The flip side of the tape featured Caz, Dot-A-Rock and Biz Markie on the mic, rockin' it up in Dan's house! Maybe I'll release that side of the tape one day, too.
SPOONIE GEE, BUSY BEE, DEBBIE DEE & WANDA DEE RE-UPPED - Really nice to hear the female mc-dj combo of Debbie Deb and Wanda D.
WORLD FAMOUS SUPREME SHOW - WHBI, 4-13-83 RE-UPPED - I collect any hip hop shows on HBI from 1979-1983 or so. Especially looking for Mr. Magic shows. Anybody got 'em let me know... I got $$$. (note: the audio has been FIXED, all should be well now)
And to any and all who download- this is a THANKS taking celebration, so please say thanks when you take. I'm looking for 30, count 'em, 30 comments on this post before I make any new posts. Well, I may settle for 20 but just step up and show some love. I need a hug every now and then. Either that or I'm gonna sign up for some of that AdSense gwop.
BTW, I also want to give a shout to that man Troy L. from the Grant Houses in Harlem U.S.A. who is the KING of the old school tapes and hooked me up with a large portion of the joints now in my collection. If you are lookin' to cop cassettes let me know and I'll let him know.
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Let me be the first to say thanks on Thanksgiving. A little old school goodness to get me through the new year.
ay, soulman i'm VERY Thankful for this!
PEACE
Nice one, thanks a lot from Stockholm, Sweden.
thanks man, this is great stuff!
#5 says thank you and I hope you had a happy holiday.
#6 in the mix! What a treat...real unadulterated hip hop...turntables, DJ's, Party MC's, VARIETY and FLAVOR!! No lable BS turning HIP HOP into HIT POP.....Thanks for this!!
lovin it
good work as always phil. thanks
That Treacherous Three JOint is pure FIRE!
Thanks a lot
Jasper
THANKS!
Thanks Phil! Another GREAT post. Enjoy your holiday.
BTW will your Old School-styled tracks you had in a post a while ago be released?
Hey Jack-
Thanks for the comment. I hope I will be able to release the "Philly Phill Old School" joint soon... I have an album's worth of songs recorded but I still have to take care of the post production and final mixes. The hold up is that I really don't know how to go about putting out such an album these days. The easiest way for me would be to do CDs, but I don't know if people even buy cds anymore. I think selling digital copies would be a mistake, too. Vinyl might be the best way to go for the audience that would be interested in something like this, but pressing vinyl can be a MAJOR headache. I've been burned a number of times trying to get quality vinyl pressings. So we'll see... one way another it'll get out there, hopefully sometime in 2008. PEACE.
dopeness as always Phill, cheers for the stuff I missed due to being in England and errr 1 year old at the time! Some of us younger cats still like to go backwards
what up Cro-
yeah, I definitely feel what you're saying about some young dudes who DO respect the history and actually dig that original hip hop flavor, even though they were too young or too far away to experience it the first time around. I never hold those things against anybody. I don't even hold it against any of the young folks who actually do try to get into the old stuff and just ain't feelin' it. But those young people, if they really care at all about Hip Hop, do have a responsibility to acknowledge the creators and never lose sight that without cats like the Funky 4+1 doing $1 shows up in the Bronx there would be no Rakim, Snoop Dog, Eminem, Jay-Z, Lil Wayne etc. RESPECT THE FOUNDATION AT ALL TIMES. I know you do, Cro, as I'm sure that almost everybody who checks this blog does as well. PEACE.
wow! thanksgiving is fun!
we should start something like it in switzerland too;)
you're doin a great job as always!
Thanks very much...
loving this shit Phill - Neva Stop Bloggin'!
Thanks Soulman, like Cro said I'm UK based as well and would never get to hear things like this without them being posted.
You can put me down for a copy of "Philly Phill Old School" LP, maybe you could run subscription where people pay up front like they do on DWG ?
Thanks again !!!
Great stuff as always Phill - keep up the good work!!
God bless the internet. Soulman, you made my day (and Thanksgiving) - pure old school fire!!!!
Mr Most Chill...you're really spoiling us lately...this is a history lesson in how to rock a party.
THANKS U VERY MUCH~
yo I got 9 mister magic shows.
Yo Kase... let's do biz, homie. It's gotta be the Mr. Magic show on WHBI, not the later WBLS Magic show. And preferably the early 1979-80 shows, but anything on HBI is good. Maybe even some of the early BLS shows if he's rockin' some ill joints or has celebrities live on the air with him.
That reminds me... I think I have some tapes from when Magic was on Philly's WDAS for a short stint in 1985. Bugged out...
Yes Phill, please believe that we give thanks for sharinf and teaching.
Much peace my brother,
J$MONEY
i would love to leave a comment phill but you aint linked me up yet! oh schitt, i just left a comment! just playin' ;)
www.headnod.blogspot.com
blessing us again, I especially like that Danny Dan tape would love to hear that B side too
downloading all this schitt right now. infinite thanks for blessing us all with these jewels, phill! peace!
thanks philly, headnod.blogspot.com
phill,
i'm curious to hear your opinion on why to this day no one has ever properly documented tapes like these with official releases? something like a folkways series - "sounds of the bronx p.a.l.'s" or something like that. the closest i can recall is tuff city's live cold crush releases. soul jazz's "big apple rappin" comp was nice and collected some great early records, but where is a well mastered park jam collection with comprehensive liner notes? this shit is just too important to be sitting in dusty shoe boxes in closets.
eons
eons, i would guess the reason why there hasn't been an official box set of old school live jams is the same reason that a lot of great ideas never come to light- money. You'd have to license all the records that were being spun plus you'd have to pay all the emcees and deejays who performed on these tapes. then there's the cost of cleaning up and mastering these old worn out low bias cassette tapes to make the quality good enough to sell commercially. And then the ultimate question- how many people are going to want to buy this? A lot I'm sure, but enough to make it worthwhile financially? That I'm not so sure about. It would be a great thing if somebody could do it properly, though... not even as a money making enterprise, but just for historical purposes.
Until that does happen, though, I guess you can always cop the NYC Live Throwdown 79-85 Box Set (http://www.undergroundhiphop.com/store/detail.asp?UPC=MSG8001CD)... i don't know who's behind that boxset and I don't have it myself so I can't co-sign, but I would definitely recommend checking out my man Jayquan's site THE FOUNDATION at http://www.jayquan.com/ (under construction right now but should be back soon) where you can read up on the real history straight from the mouths of the people who made it PLUS you can cop tapes directly from my dude Troy L.
HI PHILL!
WHAT A LINE UP!!!
DIDN´T CHECKED THE BLOG FOR A WHILE NOW.
CAME BACK AND FOUND A BIG STASH OF NICE OLD SCHOOL GOODIES.
THANKS MAN!!
PEACE
Can't get enough of the Funky 4 + 1.
Thanks!
Thanks for those oldschool gems! Keep up the good work!
I'love to read something about
Pumpkin the drummer and Silverfox.
Pro-Ski-1 from Germany
wowzers! dope stuff phill, i, like cro, was tooo young when hip hop first hit over here (uk), but mainly due to having an older mate/mentor who taught me the ways of the originators, i've got crazy love for this ish. cheers man, peace yo!
thank you!
Phill you know you went ezerk on this one my brother!! Melle Mel and Eman was throwing down 4real for those few moments I was hanging by the ropes watching to see if the m.c. is going to make a mistake or how does he react to it, checking out the Dj on the cut trying to see and imagine what he is about to put on next!! The Funky 4 just simply rocked the house even the DJ who was cuttin for Mr.Hyde I thnk that's who I heard, was cutting one of my favorite breaks blackgrass,the performance took me way back because the first time I heard cats cuttin Blackgrass they were choppin that melody coming into the beat then occasionally letting the everybody got to get some ride in and that was about 81 or 82 I was impressed with how good some of those DJ's were factoring in the time frame and equipment used you know!! I enjoyed each segment and I may even have it somewhere since I was blessed to be able to purchase a few from my main man Troy L Smith myself. I have yet to even listen to all mines I get stuck on a few then I'm so busy it's times like these when you made it simple and offered segments that were nice tha really work for me!! Thanks Phill
big ups! and thanks for sharing all this greatness
YO I GOT LOTS OF RECORDS ON EBAY RIGHT NOW...CHECK EM OUT..SOME RARE SCHITT, ALL REAL SCHITT
http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZlvcrates
haha forgot the link here it is
WE GOT TEE SHIRTS AND SHIT... GOT A NEW CD TO SELL... I MIGHT EVEN SELL MY PUSSY... AFTER THE SHOW
oh shit i forgot... great tapes phill!
hearing some records cut up all confunkulated and schitt is awesome. you get to hear human timing. you get to hear a little nike swoosh at the beginning. it's pure.
you just wait.
when records are really rare only true ballers will be djs.
IT IS A BATTLE UNTIL DEATH!... digikids vs. VINYL OVERLORDS!!!
well cotdamn... you know your blog has officially "made it" when you get comments from people who proclaim that they might even sell their pussies after the show. more posts like this are not only welcomed but heartily encouraged. we've turned an important corner here today...
and applaud yourselves, Real Schitters... i asked for only 20-30comments and we are now at 43 and counting! your appreciation is greatly appreciated and I will be blessin' y'all with more sure shots very soon. thanks for tha luv
thanks a lot phil. I wish I had access to this stuff back in the day when I first got into hip hop in 83. I remember when the zulu nation was selling a lot of live tapes in the early 90s. I didn't have any money back then so I couldn't cop.
Good lord, Phill. This is both generous and edifying. Thanks for breaking us all off.
Peace,
Ed Catto
Awesome. The WHBI shows are an inspiration. THANKS
Phil...what you are doing is very important. YOU are documenting history and as a participant in the culture...we need more documentarians from our side!
respect
The Real Schitt indeed, great stuff Phill. You know real heads fiend for this gold dust! Just chilling to the Danny Dan house tape! Still working on a way to do 'Lo Fi Theory' LP/Pt 2, on vinyl. You know how it is with this record bizz these days (tricky). Will be in touch, where there's a will & all that. Mac
hey phill not sure how i missed this post until now, but it's incredible. thanks
Damn. This is a pile of stuff I'll be listening to for days.
k tnks by
Cheers Phill big shout outs for letting us in on your collection of old-school jewels. Being the impulsive dude that I am I'm taking danny the man, world famous supreme team and flash / melle mel / e-man at first sitting. Look forward to hearing them all on my daily travels. You're quite right to demand the thanks you deserve too.
Lee-Roy, Scotland, UK.
Thank you, honestly these are all recordings that I never thought I would hear. thank you, thank you, thank you
nice stuff!! what's the first beat in the last mix (the one with the bells)?
Thanks for this post. I have read about Grandmaster Flowers, but never heard him, so it's cool to hear this piece of history.
Wow, that's an epic post. History lessons right there for youngins like myself. That Real Schitt is so necessary in an age where the ephemeral too often overshadows the meaningful shit in this world. Sincere Thanks.
Thanks for the links! And that NYC Live Throwdown box set looks insane, but it's sold out!?
I did get my hands on this also from a small label and sold out, a cd with a mix recorded in the early 80s with breaks and live rapping and supposedly a deleted release from the era 'Live convention 1977 - 79'
http://www.myspace.com/goldenreaal
Someone out there must have made high quality recordings at the time?! Any more than a home tape deck.
Yo dude...I am 44 yrs old from NYC (currently in ATL). I remember all this. I have been looking for tracks like this for years!!! Many thanks!!!! This is real old school. Usually I find stuff from the 80's that everyone has..like Sugar Hill and above. I was looking for stuff older than that. I was about 15 hanging out when this stuff was made!!!!!!
i'm late to the party, but thanks a ton for these massive rarities.
whooooo back from da real oldschoolz jointz!!
THANK YOU!!
I just found this amazing site!
is there anyway you can Repost the Grandmaster flowers link!! its dead.
I've been looking for them forever.
I can't believe you have it and all this other old school music, I thought was lost forever.
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